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Where is the Bioshock thread?

Amarth 9 years ago
Ah, here it is.
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Grim Reaper 9 years ago
The water in BioShock is awesome.

Also, my computer is too obsolete to run it.

Please send monies so I can get a new computer.
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The Gemini 9 years ago
Well, I've checked most of the gaming stores in Oslo today, and no one of them had it! Then, when I finnaly manages to get home, I finds out that it will be released in Europe on the 24th, not the 21th like in the US! DAMN YOU USA! WHEN WILL YOU ARROGANT YANKEES OPEN YOUR EYES AND SEE THAT EUROPE IS SUPERIOR TO YOUR COUNTRY?!
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Barebones 9 years ago
"The Gemini" said:
Well, I've checked most of the gaming stores in Oslo today, and no one of them had it! Then, when I finnaly manages to get home, I finds out that it will be released in Europe on the 24th, not the 21th like in the US! DAMN YOU USA! WHEN WILL YOU ARROGANT YANKEES OPEN YOUR EYES AND SEE THAT EUROPE IS SUPERIOR TO YOUR COUNTRY?!

When the developers move to your country.
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Grim Reaper 9 years ago
Speaking of different release schedules in different places, Finland will be getting Hellgate: London a full day before the rest of the Europe.
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Barebones 9 years ago
"Grim Reaper" said:
Speaking of different release schedules in different places, Finland will be getting Hellgate: London a full day before the rest of the Europe.

What can I say, we love your little city of Helsinki.
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Quanrian 9 years ago
"Grim Reaper" said:
The water in BioShock is awesome.

Also, my computer is too obsolete to run it.

Please send monies so I can get a new computer.

Save your money and get a 360 instead, which will likely cost less than what it would to get you a proper PC to run Bioshock. It's a great game and it actually has a very rogue-like quality to it that carried over from SS2.
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Grim Reaper 9 years ago
"Quanrian" said:
"Grim Reaper" said:
The water in BioShock is awesome.

Also, my computer is too obsolete to run it.

Please send monies so I can get a new computer.
Save your money and get a 360 instead, which will likely cost less than what it would to get you a proper PC to run Bioshock. It's a great game and it actually has a very rogue-like quality to it that carried over from SS2.
I also want (read: need) a new computer for other reasons.

And actually, the two are more-or-less the same price (if you know where to get your computer).
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Murska 9 years ago
"Grim Reaper" said:
"Quanrian" said:
"Grim Reaper" said:
The water in BioShock is awesome.

Also, my computer is too obsolete to run it.

Please send monies so I can get a new computer.
Save your money and get a 360 instead, which will likely cost less than what it would to get you a proper PC to run Bioshock. It's a great game and it actually has a very rogue-like quality to it that carried over from SS2.
I also want (read: need) a new computer for other reasons.

And actually, the two are more-or-less the same price (if you know where to get your computer).

I have no console, and (probably) never will, because I have compy, and I put my compy's upgrades into priority over a console. Probably because my friends have consoles. Anyway, I get the older consoles up to PS1 with emulators, and there are only some console-exclusive things I really WANT to play. IE, Final Fantasy, and probably Mass Effect.
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Amarth 9 years ago
I've heard Bioshock DRM is pretty restrictive. Max 2 installs per code, so if you have to reinstall Windows (hardware failures can also happen) just once those are used up, and if you want to play on a new machine in a few years time, not possible.

Of course, this works only if their DRM servers are working. It seems currently are not. Which means you can't play the game at all.

Hurray for DRM. Perhaps I'll just get a 'clean' version, you know, from the sick bird and stuff.
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MageKing17 9 years ago
"Amarth" said:
Hurray for DRM. Perhaps I'll just get a 'clean' version, you know, from the sick bird and stuff.
I know the feeling. I've done that more than once... on stuff I already bought. >.<
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Amarth 9 years ago
Well, I'll buy it too, of course. This kind of games need to be supported.
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The Gemini 9 years ago
Got the game and well, I'm speachless. For. This. Game. Is. A. Piece. Of. Art.
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Grim Reaper 9 years ago
Could I have some more salt for my wounds, please?
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Eveningstar 9 years ago
Oh my god that games looks like awesome! I just finished those movieclips in it's official homepage... *speechless*
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Pete 9 years ago
It seems that its time for an upgrade again. Why?
I installed the demo. First off, the mouse cursor was gone. Them, when I ran it and got to the drowning part, I seen a whole lot of gray stuff, them only black instead of the water, models and lighthouse... Now Im sad...
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Grim Reaper 9 years ago
"Pete" said:
It seems that its time for an upgrade again. Why?
I installed the demo. First off, the mouse cursor was gone. Them, when I ran it and got to the drowning part, I seen a whole lot of gray stuff, them only black instead of the water, models and lighthouse... Now Im sad...
You're luckier than me. I was surprised the intro movies ran at all. Well, after those, the game crashed.
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Zanfib 9 years ago
I'm suprised that nobody here is complaining about the rootkit.

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Amarth 9 years ago
There is no rootkit.

There is a lot of slightly too hard to remove DRM protection on it, and the launch was a joke with the activation servers failing, and only 5 reinstalls is an arbitrary limit, and I'm not defending those things in any way, but seriously, there is no rootkit.

There is a hard-to-remove registry key from SecuROM. There are undeletable files with the demo. But that are not rootkits. They are not rewriting kernel logic and they cannot be abused like the Sony stuff could be abused.
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Zanfib 9 years ago
Just about everyone on the 2k forums seems to disagree with you.
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MageKing17 9 years ago
To be honest, I'm more likely to trust Amarth, who has demonstrated a clear amount of experience, than random denizens of teh intarwebs.
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Amarth 9 years ago
Well, the original usage of the word rootkit to describe whatever evil comes with Bioshock is found here:
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However, note the comments. The author of the article himself as much as admits it's not a rootkit. He only used the word for search engine optimization.

Bioshock comes with DRM. Especially on the demo, this is outrageous, but it's stupid on the game too. But don't go calling things rootkits when they aren't, please. From Wikipedia: "A rootkit is a set of software tools intended to conceal running processes, files or system data from the operating system." It does none of these things. It's a normal Windows service, be it hard to delete and installed without user knowledge. I don't approve, but don't make it worse than it is.
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Zanfib 9 years ago
"http://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=1290" said:
In the 2K forums and in the comments below there are links to articles describing why SecuROM isn’t a rootkit. But most of the people throwing the word “rootkit” around (myself included) don’t have the technical savy to truly understand what secuROM is doing.

People are using the word “rootkit” to mean, “software which is installed in secret and which gives itself special rights and which can’t be uninstalled”, because that sounds a lot like the last “rootkit” scandal. SecuROM does indeed do all of these things, even though it isn’t a “rootkit”.

So, this is more of a problem of misunderstanding the term “rootkit”, not a problem with understanding what SecuROM is doing.


You're right.

I'm suprised that nobody here is complaining about the software which is installed in secret and which gives itself special rights and which can’t be uninstalled.

Is that better?
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Click 9 years ago
even if bioshock doesn't install a rootkit, per se, i think the main argument ought to focus on whether the hidden programs (rookit or otherwise) that bioshock installs is harmful or not.


p.s. bioshock gud.
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Murska 9 years ago
"Click" said:
even if bioshock doesn't install a rootkit, per se, i think the main argument ought to focus on whether the hidden programs (rookit or otherwise) that bioshock installs is harmful or not.


p.s. bioshock gud.

I don't think I would want my computer to have any hidden undeletable programs, whatever they actually do. It might depend, though, for there are things I would probably let 'em stay on my compy for.
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Idiota 9 years ago
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teehee
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Amarth 9 years ago
Finished. Completely, utterly worth every single second. This game is absolutely lovely.

I don't think mere words can describe it.

Though to be absolutely fair, the middle part of the game was best. Near the end, there aren't a lot of new elements to keep it interesting, although they try hard. But that's nitpicking. Go get this game (and a computer that can run it).
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Pete 9 years ago
Oh, sure, I will, dont worry. Now just to take that bag full of money and...

Wait.
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Zanfib 9 years ago
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heh heh.
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