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Werewolf 12 - Headspears, Strike the Earth!

Endymion 11 years ago

Oh it's over! I'm up for another round. Also I'm curious why was I the first one to get killed? I was kind of hoping for it since my role was interesting only until I actually told anyone that no you shouldn't pull any of the levers and I figured no one would be silly enough to pull one of them without the info.

Grim Reaper 11 years ago

You were slain more-or-less solely to cast suspicion on others (namely E_net and Anonymous).

Sadly, that failed due to the seer/JoI discovering MageKing17 that very night. Also, I had forgotten the suspicion factor of your death when deciding upon the target for the next killing.

E_net4 11 years ago

Grim Reaper said:
You were slain more-or-less solely to cast suspicion on others (namely E_net and Anonymous).

But yeah, then why did you kill him if he could be persuaded to lynch-vote us?

Anonymous1157 11 years ago

We have, like, eleven active members right now. And they were all here.

We need to find some way to balance Werewolf/Mafia for very few players.

SpeedBlade 11 years ago

It could be a lynch-only game, meaning the baddies don't really get a night-kill.

Give them an additional player than normal, or give each of them a chance to discover the seer every day/night cycle. Maybe have a cupid pair among the villagers.

Narvius 11 years ago

SpeedBlade said:
It could be a lynch-only game, meaning the baddies don't really get a night-kill.

That... actually sounds interesting/viable. Your thoughts, everyone?

Though, if we were to do that, I'd say make it a fully symmetric game, with both teams being evenly-matched.
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Grim Reaper 11 years ago

So, two teams of villagers, one with a seer, the other with knowledge of who's on their team? Sounds interesting indeed.

The question that comes to mind from that: Will all the other special roles also be assigned solely to the unorganised team?

E_net4 11 years ago

I've seen a variant where there is only one "werewolf", but only one other character can accuse him. All the remaining players served to speculate.

Murska 11 years ago

The most simple method would be to have no / very few special roles. Ordinary villagers and 2 wolves is rather balanced.

E_net4 11 years ago

Murska said:
The most simple method would be to have no / very few special roles. Ordinary villagers and 2 wolves is rather balanced.

Unfortunately, it's not very interesting unless everyone is capable of holding any sort of conversation. Besides, everything is pretty much random without special roles, since there is no room for skill and realistic speculation.

MageKing17 11 years ago

Narvius said:
SpeedBlade said:
It could be a lynch-only game, meaning the baddies don't really get a night-kill.

That... actually sounds interesting/viable. Your thoughts, everyone?

Though, if we were to do that, I'd say make it a fully symmetric game, with both teams being evenly-matched.

Yeah, I have a thought... what's to prevent people from just refusing to lynch anyone? The incentive to lynch people in a regular game is that if you do nothing, the Wolves will just pick off your entire team every night.

SpeedBlade 11 years ago

If no one votes, night breaks the ice by concealing voter-identity (PM-lynch) or by giving the baddies their way.

Amarth 11 years ago

I guess we could also play something more akin to the Resistance. It's basically iterated WW where no-one dies. The board game variant works for 4 to 10 players IIRC, and I believe it can be adapted with little to no work for message board.

It's an awesome real life board game by the way. I have multiple copies.

Murska 11 years ago

Resistance is fun, yeah.

I have to laugh at the idea that without special roles there's no skill in Werewolf. The vast majority of WW skill is in the play of a vanilla townie (villager), who has to find the wolves simply based on what is said in the thread (or in this variant, over PMs as well). How you work around incomplete and uncertain information is what it's all about.

For example, I pegged Grim as the last wolf based on his interaction with the Mageking lynch, and used the Leash on him that night, simply based on what was said in the thread. All the special roles simply make it too easy, as there was no room for doubt once SpeedBlade could clear himself as the Bookkeeper. But even without Amarth linking me and SpeedBlade and INFERNAL claiming, I'd have pushed to lynch Grim.

MageKing17 11 years ago

Murska said:
I have to laugh at the idea that without special roles there's no skill in Werewolf. The vast majority of WW skill is in the play of a vanilla townie (villager), who has to find the wolves simply based on what is said in the thread (or in this variant, over PMs as well). How you work around incomplete and uncertain information is what it's all about.

Absolutely this, as I'm sure anyone who was a player in a game where I was an ordinary villager can attest.

E_net4 9 years ago

Well, this was last WW game we had, and it was one year ago. And that's too much! Who's available for a new game?

INFERNUS 9 years ago

I'm in.

Narvius 9 years ago

Sure. Let's try to limit the escalating extravagance of our variants a bit, though.

E_net4 9 years ago

Narvius said:
Sure. Let's try to limit the escalating extravagance of our variants a bit, though.

On that, I agree. I'm willing to host if no one else really wishes to take the role, and my intents are to keep it a bit closer to what we did in the first few games. I also have an idea for the theme.

Amarth 9 years ago

I'm in!

Endymion 9 years ago

I'm still available.

Grim Reaper 9 years ago

Still available as well.

Endymion 9 years ago

So, when do we start? Of course we still might want more people but how long do we wait for them? weeks, months or years!?

E_net4 9 years ago

Endymion said:
So, when do we start? Of course we still might want more people but how long do we wait for them? weeks, months or years!?

That's the problem, man. We only have 5 players (excluding the game master), and it won't work without at least 9. The only wait here is for more players. Go ahead and spread the word to your friends.
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Endymion 9 years ago

How bad would it be with less than 9 players? We could try to figure out a way to make it work with less players.
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E_net4 9 years ago

Endymion said:
How bad would it be with less than 9 players? We could try to figure out a way to make it work with less players.

Maybe we should think of a different rule set that makes the game last longer without making it boring. All that I have thought of so far is nerfing the villager-friendly classes, but it doesn't help much in terms of durability. What if there's a new death condition?

Narvius 9 years ago

Lynch-only with a smaller, coordinated team, and a larger, uninformed team seems like a good idea I guess.
No day/night cycle, just one day after another. Extra roles optional.
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E_net4 9 years ago

Ok, let's insist. I propose following what Narvius suggested and try a WW game with a few more tweaks.

- No night time, no night actions. Each player can vote to lynch each day and that's it.
- No special roles (except for the werewolves knowing each other).
- Free candy to those who actually make this interesting.

Any suggestions?

Narvius 9 years ago

Yes, I got a suggestion.
Let's get started.

If it turns out to be too slow, we can think about what manipulable information to introduce later.
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E_net4 9 years ago

Sure... am I the game master? I haven't prepared anything, but hopefully this ain't an issue.

Narvius 9 years ago

I'm pretty sure you are, yeah.
Also, just whip up some random fluff. It's not that hard.

E_net4 9 years ago

I am currently preparing the game, it should start soon. Keep an eye on your PM boxes.

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