"Idiota" said:You're damn right they should have packed their bags and joined with the obvious winners of the conflict. Yes it sucks that their land was taken yes it sucks that a lot of them were killed, yes it sucks that the treaties made with them were broken, and a good many other things. However, that's um.... nothing special. A quick overview of the history of the world shows us that, although it stinks to experience, this is what happens when a strong group of people decides it wants something. And when a group of people says "fuck you, people who beat us," and refuses to comingle and become part of the conquering faction, they will end up rather... screwed.
But on a more serious note.... I'd have to say that I think culture is worthless. All it has ever done is serve to divide people into groups of "us" and "them." i.e. cowboys and indians. Romans and barbarians. Germans and Jews. Chinese and Japanese. Russians and Gypsies. East vs West. I think the analogy is blindingly obvious. And let us delve further into American Indians and their current condition. Their culture has done nothing good for them. It has encouraged them to stay on a reservation where they will likely NOT get good education, health care, and other standards of living. It has served to separate them from mainstream America and the success and happiness that the majority of it's citizens have achieved over the course of history. If the Indians had jumped into the "Melting Pot" of America, along with most of the people that live in America, why they'd be just as successful as everyone else, albeit with straight hair and little to no facial hair. But since they didn't, they're isolated and are clearly worse off for it. Pride in your culture? [censored]. When's the last time that put food into a child's mouth or kept them clothed? Other people can cling to the divisions of the past, I'll take my big mac and whatever else the world has to offer and leave my 'culture' at the door.
I'm not gonna make a nazi reference here, but there's still a lot more wrong with that post.
Let's start with the indians. You're saying that when their lands were invaded and claimed, where they had lived for centuries, they should have just packed their bags and joined the 'great western civilization.' What would you do if a totally foreign culture you had never even heard about invaded your country and called it it's own? I'd cling to whatever culture I had.
You forget that the original afro-americans were brought into the US as slaves for the whites. How can you even expect the african culture to blend in with a culture that despises africans? There's never been the melting pod you claim. Allways there was the western culture, and the other cultures would just have to blend in. They were expected to blend in, but they were never accepted because the western civilization was racist towards everything non-white. The cultural differences you see in the US today are for a big part forced upon said cultures when they were not accepted in normal societies. To say that it was their own fault because of their own stupid culture, is a lot like pointing and laughing at a man suffering from polio falling down when you pushed him.
I understand why you think that the world would be a better place if there were no cultural differences, Shingo, because I agree. But the fact that it isn't is a consequence of events that happened in the past, and not the answer of a mulitpiple choice question asking wether they want to be a part of society or not. I've shifted from left to right the last few years, but these statements go beyond beliefs and they're just dead wrong.
I think the Australian culture is awesome because people greet eachother with 'G'day mate! Howyerdowin?' on the streets, Steve Erwin and Rex's Fishing Adventures. Oh, and australian people I meet on the web are generally ok chaps, so yeah. Not every country spawns polite and sincere gamers. (Read: Dutch gamers suck)
And you damn right I'll say their current predicament is just as much their fault as anyone else's. They could have stepped up to the plate, grew a pair and realized that complete membership in America, with the commercial, education, medical, and other benefits that entails - is a hell of a lot better than living on second rate reservations and clinging to an ancient culture. That. Gets. Them. Absolutely. Nowhere.
The points you bring up about racism? Yeah, I can see that. On the other hand, when did ye olde indian tribes ever try to blend in? Never that I can recall. It's always been: we're a proud race of proud people that has a proud culture and we will not abandon it for the white man. Stiff upper lip and all, little bear.